Princeton professor says killing
disabled newborns is acceptable
PRINCETON, N.J. (BP)--Princeton University's Peter Singer, widely known
for his founding of the Great Ape Project to grant apes the same rights
as humans, said Sept. 11 he would kill a disabled baby ?if that was in
the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole.?
(Well, who decides what the 'best interests' are?)
?Many people find this shocking, yet they support a woman?s right to
have an abortion,? Singer, a professor of bioethics, said in a question
and answer article in The Independent, a British newspaper. ?One point
on which I agree with opponents of abortion is that, from the point of
view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction
between the fetus and the newborn baby.?
(There ya go, abortion rights backers. This is the final logical point that nails your position down, spoken by one of your own.)
Singer?s position is the "logical extension of the culture of death,"
LifeSiteNews.com, a pro-life news agency, asserted. He contends there is
no inherent dignity in man and no sanctity of human life. Singer
rejects the idea that man was created in the image and likeness of God, the
site noted, and therefore believes man deserves no special treatment.
(The cold logic of materialism/naturalism leads us to a corrupted view of life and death.)
?Once again Singer is making distinctions between human beings he would
consider normal and those he would consider not normal, thus he is
deciding who is a person and who is not,? Alex Schadenberg, executive
director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, told LifeSiteNews.com.
?Non-persons are allowed to be killed.?
(As the judge in a case tried this spring said, "It is not relevant if the fetus feels pain in an abortion.)
In the same article, Singer was asked a question about giving rights to
animals that can?t understand those rights: ?Isn't it contradictory to
ascribe human-based rights to animals? Surely it is absurd to apply a
purely human concept to an animal who has no hope of ever understanding
such a thing.? Singer said the idea of giving human-based rights to animals was not at
all absurd.
?Anyone who ascribes rights to babies or humans with intellectual
disabilities must be willing to attribute rights to beings who can't
understand the concept,? Singer said. ?It's the moral agents, the ones who are
acting, who need to understand the concept. Those to whom we attribute
rights do not need to understand these concepts.?
(All of us understood nothing at until we were late in the toddler stage!)
Another question dealt with what Singer would do if he were forced to
decide between ?shooting 10 healthy cows and one healthy human.?
?I've written that it is much worse to kill a being who is aware of
having a past and a future, and who plans for the future,? Singer said.
?Normal humans have such plans, but I don't think cows do. And normal
humans have family and friends who will grieve their death in ways more
vivid and longer-lasting than the way cows may care about other cows.
(Although a cow certainly misses her calf for a long time, if the calf is
taken from her. That's why there is a major ethical problem with dairy
products.) If I really had to make such a decision, I'd kill the cows.?
(I bet PETA was not happy with this statement!)
When asked whether there are moral absolutes, Singer said there is only
one.?The only moral absolute is that we should do what will have the best
consequences for all those affected by our actions,? he said.
(No moral absolutes leads to an acceptance of the murder of anyone that we deem, "disabled or not cost effective", AKA, Terry Schiavo. The judge in that case would not even go see her before he allowed her to be starved to death!)
In a question and answer article for the St. Petersburg Times in
Florida published Sept. 14, Singer again addressed the issue of euthanasia.
?You've written about Terri Schiavo,? reporter Susan Aschoff said. ?You
say people have the right to end their lives or those of their loved
ones. Where do you draw the line??
?You have to distinguish cases,? Singer said, ?where people are
competent to make their own decisions and cases where human beings are not
competent, and who should then make those decisions. If it's a newborn
baby, it's really the parents.
(If you can't afford them, just kill them. If you lived in China you could probably kill your female offspring because males are more desirable culturally!)
?When we talk about decisions that are made in utero, most people would
agree that a pregnant woman who has a fetus with a severe abnormality
ought to be able to terminate the pregnancy,? he added. ?Most people,
including Catholic hospitals, don't say you have to do everything to keep
a newborn infant alive.?
(so, now Singer appeals to his general understanding of what 'Catholic hospitals' do or don't do? Why ask the Catholics, Peter? Why not the Islamic mullahs that teach people that their God will give them a place in heaven if they become homicide bombers?)
R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern
Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., has written commentaries
on Singer?s radical views several times, including in 2005 when Mohler
said the very fact that Singer and others seriously make such arguments
about the value of human life indicates that the culture of death is
growing in assertiveness. ?Once we accept any moral distinction between a human being and a human
person, we embrace the logic of death and inch our way toward an
inevitable embrace of murder. It doesn't get much scarier than this,? Mohler
wrote.
( I guess all of us over 30 need to be concerned that someone might want to 'put us out of our misery' at some time in the future when we are not, 'cost effective'!)
Rex
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Liberal World-view leads to a Corrupted Soul
by Shining One indisabled newborns is acceptable .
princeton, n.j. (bp)--princeton university's peter singer, widely known .
for his founding of the great ape project to grant apes the same rights .
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How many were raised as a witness, and are now Christian ?
by troubled mind ini was raised a witness and have not known anything else .
i go back and forth with myself on whether i even believe in god at all anymore .
i keep hoping that there is ....from a young age i had a strong desire to understand god .
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I am and I would advise you to go for it! Don't worry about all the naysayers and bible critics. Just keep talking to the Lord and He will make it clear to you. Rex
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Evolution still bugs me
by Geronimo ini know there are a lot of threads on evolution and creation and i've read a few here and there.
how can complex systems arise of themselves in the face of entropy?
one evolutionist book i read used snowflakes to show this is possible.
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Hi Abaddon, I hope you didn't spend an hour or more writing up that load of cut and paste drivel. I just took about thirty seconds to see it was your usual diatribe of liberal elitist POLITICAL OPINION (not facts) and dismissed the whole post. Have a nice day! Rex
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JW gets saved at the flea market.
by lisavegas420 inthis video is about 12 minutes long.
a young woman that says in the very beginning that she is a jw, is stopped at the flea market and witnessed to by someone that is encourging her to be 'born again'.
at the end of the video he prays with her and she accepts jesus as her savior.. the video says they are in raleigh nc maybe someone will reconize her.
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>I'm not trying to dog anyones beliefs, but this sounds all too familiar. JMHO The easiest believed lie is the one with some basis of truth. Take a look at the way Satan twists the scriptural text in his statements in the Bible. The same tactic works so well that most of the world is enthralled by it. Rex
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JW gets saved at the flea market.
by lisavegas420 inthis video is about 12 minutes long.
a young woman that says in the very beginning that she is a jw, is stopped at the flea market and witnessed to by someone that is encourging her to be 'born again'.
at the end of the video he prays with her and she accepts jesus as her savior.. the video says they are in raleigh nc maybe someone will reconize her.
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Under, It is sad that you mistake the relationship with God for a dead religion. Rex
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Syd's Dead
by Shining One ini found out a few days ago.
what a sad story and short life for a man who was far ahead of his time in rock and roll....i hope you are in a better place now.
goodby syd.
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Nathan, Sorry, I did not ever know the man personally. I have been fascinated with the history of the band, Pink Floyd, ever since the late sixties. Syd was already quits with them by that time. I really enjoy the musical artist's work before and during his sad fall into insanity. I have seen the band three times over the years and enjoyed most of their music. I also have some great dvds of their performances and videos. They have shaped much of the music that has the highest artistic quality and besides that...I love guitar bands that really rock! Rex
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climate change/global warming
by BlackSwan of Memphis inok well this is one of those topics that's pretty much common knowledge.. the earth is warming, the ice is melting and sea levels are rising.. a) do you think we'll be able to take care of it before it becomes irreversible?.
b) do you make decisions in your life that reflect a concern for this issue and/or other environmentalist issues?.
i try to make sure we recycle and turn off what isn't being used.
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>Ok well this is one of those topics that's pretty much common knowledge. 17,000 scientists have signed off on a statement that says 'global warming' is nothing more than a regular cycle of earth's ecology. Twenty years ago, the same bunch of idiots were warning us of the coming ice age. >The earth is warming, the ice is melting and sea levels are rising. As it has always done. a) Do you think we'll be able to take care of it before it becomes irreversible? >We have not caused it, nor is it proven, so how in the world could we fix it? b) Do you make decisions in your life that reflect a concern for this issue and/or other environmentalist issues? >Yes, I turn the tv or radio channel when some enviro-weenie gets on to spout off about something he has no proof of. Rex
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Praise Allah! The cruel Americans are gone!
by Nathan Natas infinally, after long years of torment from the harsh language of their american captors, islamo-fascists in iraq can celebrate the judicial culture that is islam.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/10/wirq10.xml.
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Hi Kid, Are you pinky boys up in Canada ready for Sharia law? Have a nice day. Rex
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Evolution still bugs me
by Geronimo ini know there are a lot of threads on evolution and creation and i've read a few here and there.
how can complex systems arise of themselves in the face of entropy?
one evolutionist book i read used snowflakes to show this is possible.
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Hi Geronimo,
What you are seeing is two opposing philosophies that are rooted in the world-views of people. Evolution is not any more 'scientific' than creationism: the actual physical evidence and observations done by scientists can be taken to either side. Ken Ham has done much to show how this works in some of his writings.
Evolution is a 'sacred cow' in academia and they enforce it through "peer pressure review" that does nothing but label others unfairly. We've all seen their treatment of Dember and Behe. Scientists who dispute the theory are smeared and marginalized by the academics who presently have tenure. You see, they have 'drawn a line' and inquiry into any science is ok until you challenge the actual beliefs in their world-view.
They will gradually be gone and evolution will fade from the scene as a viable teaching. Naturalism is also going to be a casualty and deservedly so. BTW, global warming is another one of their 'sacred cows' despite the fact that 17,000 American scientists have signed a statement of dispute of this teaching. This teaching is solely aimed at disprution of the American economy, which would weaken the military and that would lead to the eventual defeat or retreat of America.
These are tenets of the socialist/communist bent of so many who are leftover from the '60s. Do you see how unfairly they treat those who disagree with them politically? Leftists must do this because of the weaknesses of their own world-view. They've seen the massive failure of the socialist states along with their lack of moral or ethical treatment of their fellow human beings.
Christianity and the republics are their worst enemies and this is why they are so shrill and reactionary toward people of faith, especially the American version since we have not knuckled under to their propaganda. Islam and all other faiths are secondary opponents. They realize that these cannot be a threat to them if they control the strongest military. The first and greatest enemy is America and its military because they know that those who have backbone will challenge those who seek to enslave others.
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Syd's Dead
by Shining One ini found out a few days ago.
what a sad story and short life for a man who was far ahead of his time in rock and roll....i hope you are in a better place now.
goodby syd.
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>Set me straight now, was Syd the original singer that the band had institutionalized?
Some of the sites that I posted tell the story. He was never institutionalized but was treated voluntarily for his mental illness. He was a founding member and they all knew David Gilmour. David was brought in to help out after "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" with 'Saucerful of Secrets" in production. Syd was often unable to perform to any degree and was gradually let go.
David and Roger helped Syd make two solo albums and David always made sure that Syd got royalties from the band's efforts. Syd had some awesome musical talent and was really ahead of his time. His is a tragic tale because of the unability of him to recover and continue with his work. If you search the web you can find the interview done with "Rolling Srone" in 1970 as well as other information on his life.
Rex